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	<title>Comments on: Americans Are Saving Too Much For Retirement&#8230; At Least According to One Man</title>
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		<title>By: FinanceGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>FinanceGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like an example of an academic egghead living in his statistical theory world instead of the real world. American&#039;s already have a negative savings rate, how much lower can it go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like an example of an academic egghead living in his statistical theory world instead of the real world. American&#8217;s already have a negative savings rate, how much lower can it go?</p>
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		<title>By: vh</title>
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		<dc:creator>vh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Smooth out&quot;? What&#039;s to smooth?

Once your kids are out of college, if you live within your means your expenses are as smoothed out as they&#039;re gunna get.

At three years from retirement, I earn about $20,000  more than the median income in my city. Because I don&#039;t carry a tab on the credit cards -- that is, I never charge more than I have in my checking account -- I live very frugally and I STILL spend every penny that comes in, with the exception of about $250 that goes into emergency savings. I have no mortgage. Seven percent of my gross pay goes into a 403b, matched by my employer. 

If I retired today (which I surely would like to do), my Social Security would be a little over $800 a month. That is a little less than 1/6 of my current gross pay. If I wait until I&#039;m 66 1/2 (horrors!), my SS benefit will be a munificent $1300 a month, less than 1/3 of my present salary. ALL THE REST OF MY LIVING EXPENSES will have to come from savings!

To earn the amount I now spend on ordinary living expenses (no travel, no eating out, no car payments, no house payments, no expensive clothes, no days at the spa, no elaborate hobbies, and when the dog dies I quit financing the vet&#039;s Jaguar) without drawing down principal, I would need almost $800,000 in savings, assuming an 8% return on investments (the amount you really should figure is 4%).  SS would reduce that figure by $10,000 or $15,000, an almost negligible amount in the large scheme of things.

The only way I can see to &quot;smooth out&quot; expenses would be to sell my home, which is not exactly a McMansion and is not in the best neighborhood in town, and move someplace cheaper. That  means moving to Sun City (ech!), into a condo (I loath apartment living), or to a part of town that is unsafe for an elderly single woman.

If you&#039;re a young person, start saving now and don&#039;t stop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Smooth out&#8221;? What&#8217;s to smooth?</p>
<p>Once your kids are out of college, if you live within your means your expenses are as smoothed out as they&#8217;re gunna get.</p>
<p>At three years from retirement, I earn about $20,000  more than the median income in my city. Because I don&#8217;t carry a tab on the credit cards &#8212; that is, I never charge more than I have in my checking account &#8212; I live very frugally and I STILL spend every penny that comes in, with the exception of about $250 that goes into emergency savings. I have no mortgage. Seven percent of my gross pay goes into a 403b, matched by my employer. </p>
<p>If I retired today (which I surely would like to do), my Social Security would be a little over $800 a month. That is a little less than 1/6 of my current gross pay. If I wait until I&#8217;m 66 1/2 (horrors!), my SS benefit will be a munificent $1300 a month, less than 1/3 of my present salary. ALL THE REST OF MY LIVING EXPENSES will have to come from savings!</p>
<p>To earn the amount I now spend on ordinary living expenses (no travel, no eating out, no car payments, no house payments, no expensive clothes, no days at the spa, no elaborate hobbies, and when the dog dies I quit financing the vet&#8217;s Jaguar) without drawing down principal, I would need almost $800,000 in savings, assuming an 8% return on investments (the amount you really should figure is 4%).  SS would reduce that figure by $10,000 or $15,000, an almost negligible amount in the large scheme of things.</p>
<p>The only way I can see to &#8220;smooth out&#8221; expenses would be to sell my home, which is not exactly a McMansion and is not in the best neighborhood in town, and move someplace cheaper. That  means moving to Sun City (ech!), into a condo (I loath apartment living), or to a part of town that is unsafe for an elderly single woman.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a young person, start saving now and don&#8217;t stop!</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyNing</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyNing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have a notepad that I keep of article ideas for my own blog.

One of the lines says &quot;You can save too much might be full of crap&quot; so you know what I think of all this!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have a notepad that I keep of article ideas for my own blog.</p>
<p>One of the lines says &#8220;You can save too much might be full of crap&#8221; so you know what I think of all this!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brip Blap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brip Blap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to know how much Kotlikoff himself has saved for retirement.  I would rather have too much than too little.  If I had to sacrifice a few years of Nintendos and iPods to save a little extra - so be it.  

If a doctor told us Americans weren&#039;t getting enough fatty foods he&#039;d be laughed at.  If an economics professor says Americans are saving too much he&#039;s quoted in the media.  Too bad he doesn&#039;t have a license he can lose - it&#039;s just irresponsible.  I&#039;ve heard of this guy before and I give him credit for making an outrageous claim and profiting off of it.  How he sleeps at night, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to know how much Kotlikoff himself has saved for retirement.  I would rather have too much than too little.  If I had to sacrifice a few years of Nintendos and iPods to save a little extra &#8211; so be it.  </p>
<p>If a doctor told us Americans weren&#8217;t getting enough fatty foods he&#8217;d be laughed at.  If an economics professor says Americans are saving too much he&#8217;s quoted in the media.  Too bad he doesn&#8217;t have a license he can lose &#8211; it&#8217;s just irresponsible.  I&#8217;ve heard of this guy before and I give him credit for making an outrageous claim and profiting off of it.  How he sleeps at night, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: efipo.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>efipo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 01:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think if you are already paying yourself first or other forms of investments (401(k), real estate, stock purchase plans, investing in personal business), then it&#039;s ok to spend. Don&#039;t mortgage the house to buy a plasma, but sometimes it&#039;s nice to go on a nice trip with friends and family or spending a little more at a bar;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think if you are already paying yourself first or other forms of investments (401(k), real estate, stock purchase plans, investing in personal business), then it&#8217;s ok to spend. Don&#8217;t mortgage the house to buy a plasma, but sometimes it&#8217;s nice to go on a nice trip with friends and family or spending a little more at a bar;)</p>
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		<title>By: shadox</title>
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		<dc:creator>shadox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There clearly needs to be a balance between saving and your other financial needs - I think that the key is long term lifesytle improvements. If you are able to increase your spending today and yet continue to maintain that spending level indeffinately - you are in good shape. Bad spending is spending that is not sustainable from your own financial resources (such as borrowing to spend).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There clearly needs to be a balance between saving and your other financial needs &#8211; I think that the key is long term lifesytle improvements. If you are able to increase your spending today and yet continue to maintain that spending level indeffinately &#8211; you are in good shape. Bad spending is spending that is not sustainable from your own financial resources (such as borrowing to spend).</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 04:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure there are people saving too much for retirement, shooting for multi-million dollar nest eggs when their ideal retirement consists of simple and inexpensive pleasures.

I&#039;m also sure there aren&#039;t many of those people. 

Kotilkoff uses the exaggeration of &quot;scrimping to splurge when you&#039;re 80&quot;, when in reality a 60 year old retiree today might have 30 years ahead of them. What good is it to &quot;smooth out&quot; your consumption based on a 75 or 80 year actuarial table if you really live to be 90. Or get a debilitating illness and find you undersaved?

And he doesn&#039;t seem to notice than retirees can be in pretty good physical shape too, so they aren&#039;t exactly limited in what they can do. Unless your goal is climbing El Capitan and running ultra-marathons, I would say that you probably aren&#039;t going to be disappointed in the options you &quot;put off&quot; until retirement.

Finally, as the &quot;Counterpoint&quot; mentions, uncertainties about future circumstances are plentiful. It&#039;s risky to factor Medicare or Social Security into your planning. It&#039;s at least as risky to assume anything about inflation or taxes. Our current 3% inflation could move back into double digits like in the 70&#039;s.
&quot;Tax free&quot; or &quot;tax advantaged&quot; investments are only that way at the whim of Congress. 

With so many possible expenses and so many ways for your investments to drop in value and buying power, I think it is foolish to advocate saving less for basically anyone. Better by far to put off that cruise until retirement and have $1million in your estate than to &quot;live for today&quot; and wind up broke for the last 10 years of your life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are people saving too much for retirement, shooting for multi-million dollar nest eggs when their ideal retirement consists of simple and inexpensive pleasures.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also sure there aren&#8217;t many of those people. </p>
<p>Kotilkoff uses the exaggeration of &#8220;scrimping to splurge when you&#8217;re 80&#8243;, when in reality a 60 year old retiree today might have 30 years ahead of them. What good is it to &#8220;smooth out&#8221; your consumption based on a 75 or 80 year actuarial table if you really live to be 90. Or get a debilitating illness and find you undersaved?</p>
<p>And he doesn&#8217;t seem to notice than retirees can be in pretty good physical shape too, so they aren&#8217;t exactly limited in what they can do. Unless your goal is climbing El Capitan and running ultra-marathons, I would say that you probably aren&#8217;t going to be disappointed in the options you &#8220;put off&#8221; until retirement.</p>
<p>Finally, as the &#8220;Counterpoint&#8221; mentions, uncertainties about future circumstances are plentiful. It&#8217;s risky to factor Medicare or Social Security into your planning. It&#8217;s at least as risky to assume anything about inflation or taxes. Our current 3% inflation could move back into double digits like in the 70&#8242;s.<br />
&#8220;Tax free&#8221; or &#8220;tax advantaged&#8221; investments are only that way at the whim of Congress. </p>
<p>With so many possible expenses and so many ways for your investments to drop in value and buying power, I think it is foolish to advocate saving less for basically anyone. Better by far to put off that cruise until retirement and have $1million in your estate than to &#8220;live for today&#8221; and wind up broke for the last 10 years of your life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BeyondtheConsumer, that is because many currently retired folks are receiving a pension, cheap retiree healthcare from their employer in addition to Medicaid, and are receiving Social Security.

With very few companies currently offering pension plans, providing affordable healthcare, and the unknown status of Social Security and Medicaid, will the people who have very little saved for retirement in 30 years be the same as those who can currently get by in retirement with little or no personal savings?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BeyondtheConsumer, that is because many currently retired folks are receiving a pension, cheap retiree healthcare from their employer in addition to Medicaid, and are receiving Social Security.</p>
<p>With very few companies currently offering pension plans, providing affordable healthcare, and the unknown status of Social Security and Medicaid, will the people who have very little saved for retirement in 30 years be the same as those who can currently get by in retirement with little or no personal savings?</p>
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		<title>By: BeyondtheConsumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeyondtheConsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure why this is bad. I know quite a good many retired folks, and none of them have complained about having too much money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why this is bad. I know quite a good many retired folks, and none of them have complained about having too much money.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of the ideas he writes - people&#039;s needs change as their life situation changes, and that some investment advice is generic (or cookie cutter, as you mentioned). But, I would be willing to wager that most people in the lower and middle classes are NOT saving enough for retirement. I know people who do not even invest in their 401(k) to take advantage of the matching money, and who think IRA is someone&#039;s name.

I think his point of view is correct for a certain (select) market, and is a great headline grabber, but it doesn&#039;t apply to Americans as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of the ideas he writes &#8211; people&#8217;s needs change as their life situation changes, and that some investment advice is generic (or cookie cutter, as you mentioned). But, I would be willing to wager that most people in the lower and middle classes are NOT saving enough for retirement. I know people who do not even invest in their 401(k) to take advantage of the matching money, and who think IRA is someone&#8217;s name.</p>
<p>I think his point of view is correct for a certain (select) market, and is a great headline grabber, but it doesn&#8217;t apply to Americans as a whole.</p>
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